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Deleted User · 10-30-2003, 11:22 PM

While I have not experienced the problem you are speaking about myself Vance, I would be willing to bet, just as Tofu said, that it stems from the upgrade install. We have to just keep saying it... Never do an upgrade install. Nearly ever single person that has "weird" issues with Panther did an upgrade install. One simple and fast remedy, provided you have about 4 gigs free on your OS HD. Do an archive install, making sure that the "preserve user settings" is checked. You can do that right now, and in under 15 minutes you will have a working system, exactly like you left it. The reason that upgrade is still the default by apple is that it is less intrusive for ppl that have 3rd party drivers installed. If you have a mouse or special third party driver installed, you will have to reinstall it. Same with special printer drivers, unless they installed into your home directory. Go home, archive install on both of your computers, and I would be willing to bet that your your DHCP troubles go away. Clarity: Just do what Tofu, Elindil, Jkaru, and myself suggest... archive install and you will be happy and in good shape. Apul P.S. I am sure Nikolai would charm in on the evils of Upgrade installs too. P.S.S. It was our secret plan to screw with the Jersey-boy. That is why we did not tell him early. And if any of us suddenly disappear, it was one of his family members!

Azure9 · 10-31-2003, 12:29 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Sup guys, this has nothing to do with EQ. Just a prob i am haveing now with my Upgraded macs to panther. Wondering if anyone has a solution.

I own G4 dual 1.25 and G4 1ghz, and just upgraded them to 10.3 Now i lost the ability to have both macs on my router. When one is installed i can connect to the net just fine. But when both are connected they are haveing DHCP problems. Keeps telling me that i need to connect my ethernet wires. But thing is i dont have air port station or cards in them, so the DHCP fix on the apple boards arent helping me.

Now when i had 10.2.8 running on both macs, i had no prob what so ever. Either leads me to think the lynksys router needs a firmware update for panther, or panther need to fix this bug.

Anyone else haveing trouble like this? or know a solution? I tried all my little tricks with DHCP, and non are working.<hr></div></center>

Easy answer, don't DHCP your macs. From my days as a network installer, 9.1 up to present, I've never seen DHCP run 100% correctly on Mac, there'd always be one or two troublesome machines that refuses to negotiate it's IP, I just manually assign all my local network IPs at home so I never run into this problem.

I just use an IP range of 192.168.0.1 thru .16, subnet mask 255.255.255.240, assign the router .1, then just number off the machines after that (got 5-6 that run on the router at one time).

Never had a problem, yeah, it takes a few more minutes initially, but saves a lot of headaches, IMO.

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vance34 · 10-31-2003, 02:17 PM

hahahahha Bah i did a clean install on the HD with panther snce there was nothing special i needed. And still doing the same thing with two macs on the router. its a plot against me i tell you. putting in a call to da family!!!!!!! <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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vance34 · 10-31-2003, 02:20 PM

Thx for the input Azure, but i did that allready. Stil not connecting with two macs running panther on the network. I tried manual IPs out da wazooo, and nadda. Got in touch with some mac tech friends of mine, and gave them my set up. They recreated it and haveing the same problem with two macs on a linksys router. They said its the same prob when 10.2.8 first came out, so it needs a patch fix soon. I hope. <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!

Bastette · 10-31-2003, 02:23 PM

I upgraded this morning, using the archive and install method as recommended. Immediately after, I became unable to log into any of my characters once I zoned once. I was still able to log in and use them from another machine, but EQ would crash when I tried to load any of the characters I had used under 10.3. I did a complete reinstall of EQ, and that seemed to fix it. Now, it's doing the same thing again, but it compounded by thinking that I'm still logged in for 15 minutes after each attempt. This completely blows. -- <a href="http://ctprofiles.net/5239" target="new">Bastette</a> of Medivh -- <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=733403&resize=true" target="new">Bastette</a> of Al'Kabor 
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vance34 · 11-05-2003, 05:17 PM

Fixed my problem. Turns out that when both macs are only pluged into the 5 port HUB uplinked from the 4 port router everything runs smooth. But when both macs in the router and one mac in router one in hub nothings works. How the hell this is the case is beyond me. I used to have both macs on the router in 10.2.8, and one PC on the 5 port hub and worked fine. Seems that panther doesnt like the router at all when multiple macs are hooked up to it. DHCP finds IP with no prob now, and all the Computers see net fine. Only need to see if the PC see the G4 server now. Old friend of mine has done the same set up as me, and found the same problem. But when we set it up like this, everything works. Guess panther doesnt like the router, but loves the hub. <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!

Clarity · 11-05-2003, 05:21 PM

so if i have 3 macs hooked up to a router i shouldnt install panther? im not sure i am reading this correctly.. I have three macs to router, router to printer and dsl modem, thats all, no hub <A target=_Blank href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=819768"> Clarity </A>

Build · 11-05-2003, 05:53 PM

i have an asante 3000 cable router and have no problems clarity. and my experance with 10.3 panther has been very positive. 
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Gnatzilla · 11-05-2003, 06:04 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Fixed my problem. Turns out that when both macs are only pluged into the 5 port HUB uplinked from the 4 port router everything runs smooth. But when both macs in the router and one mac in router one in hub nothings works. How the hell this is the case is beyond me. I used to have both macs on the router in 10.2.8, and one PC on the 5 port hub and worked fine. Seems that panther doesnt like the router at all when multiple macs are hooked up to it. DHCP finds IP with no prob now, and all the Computers see net fine. Only need to see if the PC see the G4 server now. Old friend of mine has done the same set up as me, and found the same problem. But when we set it up like this, everything works. Guess panther doesnt like the router, but loves the hub. <hr></div></center> Well Vance I think you have it I pulled 2 computers that where having problems off the switch and put it into a small hub and it worked perfectly. I am guessing your Router is a switch? Wasn't this an issue several years ago with the release of the Blue and White g3's? You employees at Apple have any input? _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

vance34 · 11-05-2003, 06:05 PM

Dunno Clarity, it might be Linksys routers that cause a problem. Seems some others are having problems with lnksys as well. but if you not up one tech stuff for mac, might want to hold up for a update. <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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There will be a great hot magma uprising, the seas shall split. 
Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!

Clarity · 11-05-2003, 06:30 PM

my router is asante, if i didnt wait for update and i had problems, it is a pain to go backwards isnt it? hmmm <A target=_Blank href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=819768"> Clarity </A>

vance34 · 11-05-2003, 06:33 PM

Rumors is that 10.3.1 is around the corner, betting by next week we will see it. Hopefully it will fix a tons of problems and you will be able to ge panther loaded up and running with no headachs. <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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There will be a great hot magma uprising, the seas shall split. 
Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!

Clarity · 11-05-2003, 06:40 PM

ok, thanks<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> i appreciate the help. (BTW, am i the only one who finds your signature completely offensive and crude?<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_sad.gif"> ) <A target=_Blank href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=819768"> Clarity </A>

vance34 · 11-05-2003, 06:45 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: ok, thanks<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> i appreciate the help.

(BTW, am i the only one who finds your signature completely offensive and crude?<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_sad.gif"> )<hr></div></center>

WHAT!!! you never seen jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back?

Thats the whole reason for the signature!!!

Bah guess i'm gonna have to find a new one to set up. Ruin all my fun!!! <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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There will be a great hot magma uprising, the seas shall split. 
Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!

vance34 · 11-05-2003, 06:50 PM

Sigh Its changed, but there will be others more offensive! MA uHAa uHA Uh uh uah uhau <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
<A href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=803594">Vance</a> -Al'kabor Vancetradamus 
There will be a great hot magma uprising, the seas shall split. 
Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!