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Janribet · 01-23-2004, 03:02 AM

I have had many fun hours played with temerity people. My understanding at this time is that we will play by "first with force" rule. This is Temerity's decision from my understanding. More to point: DC want's to go for VaDyn sunday and were told "first with force". Please clarity for me as Janribet. I play with a lot of T people and have enjoyed every kill along with them. If our guilds are now in this situation I am sorry to hear it. Cordially- Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Cadsuane · 01-23-2004, 07:06 AM

First in Force rule is the official rule set down by sony for raid mobs. It means that the first group to have sufficient force assembled in the zone to kill a creature, as long as they are making progress toward the goal (not sittinng around waiting for more people to come), may not be leapfrogged (passed) by another guild. If a second guild wants to try the boss but has assembeled their sufficient force after the first guild, they must wait untill the first guild has has their try, as long as progress is being made toward the goal. In other words, whoever has enough people and isn't sitting around doing nothing has rights to the first shot at that boss. The seconnd guild may not engage it untill the first guild has wiped out/evaced/zoned. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 01:25 PM

Cadsuane: I understand what "First with Force" is and how it works. My question still stands unanswered. Are we no longer working together on when we will attempt mobs, or is it now going to be a race to zone's when the pop is up? Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Clarity · 01-23-2004, 01:53 PM

My understanding of yesterday was that the guild leaders spoke and worked it out and agreed. worked it out and agreed = working together?? I believe specifically, Nolan spoke for DC, maybe you should speak with him Jan? <A target=_Blank href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=819768"> Clarity </A>

Isios · 01-23-2004, 02:07 PM

Jan I am not saying what I am fixing to say to be mean, but we gave DC the night before to take down Va'Dynn, we keep things on a schedule, we know how to assemble as a raid, we can be assembled in less than 30 minutes. First in Force may end up being a good thing for DC in training them to become as efficient at raiding as we are. One of the things that I found irritating when raiding with Dc was the time it took to assemble and to get to the target. The Spankmistress has spoken.
 
 
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Janribet · 01-23-2004, 02:26 PM

I agree that we have been slow to organize in the past, but that has improved. Soo - still to the point. If we go for Va'Dyn on sunday - should we expect you to come rolling in if we wipe, or worse yet, race to the spawn? My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Zatrik · 01-23-2004, 02:53 PM

I don't believe we'd come in after you'd wipe, unless you left for good.  A CR before getting ready to try again may be conceived as still making forward progress (which is how it worked Tuesday). It'll be who gets there force with a raid that can make progress to Va'Dyne.  Not who gets someone or a small group there first. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 02:53 PM

Lets make this easier. Multiple Choice Question to an officer. Will Temerity be scheduling a raid for Va'Dyn on sunday knowing that DC would like to schedule it on sunday also. A) Yes B) No There - that should simplify this thread. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Gnatzilla · 01-23-2004, 02:54 PM

First off let me preface my comments by saying I am not an officer and therefore none of my comments are considered guild policy. Having said that Janribet I am offended by your last post that insinuated actions that noone at Temerity has ever taken or would ever condone. I will answer your question with a question: Currently Temerity has 4 raid targets in rotation none of which are unique in level, difficulty and loot table. Why have you specifically targeted these NPC's? _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 03:03 PM

Gnat - As for me insinuating anything, that was not my intent, and I don't think that I did. That is why I clarified. As to your question to me - we are going after Va'Dyn for a spell drop, not a big secret. Also - i am not an officer, and I ask these questions for my own understanding. Also, I come to your board with them out of respect for you guys and the friendships I have formed with some of your members. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Presto · 01-23-2004, 03:26 PM

Ok, please correct me if I am worng on the following statements. 1. DC and Tem were scheduled for Tuesday. Temerity decided to DC take VD, despite having sufficent force. 2. Now DC would like to attempt VD on Sunday, the first day he will be back up. 3. You want to know if we will step aside and let DC have a shot at VD again, and if so, how long will DC have. Not speaking as a guild officer ... Do you want the first shot a VD everytime ? You had first shot on Tuesday. While we did take VD last night, we were "coming from the on deck circle" if you will. In all fairness I think we should get first shot THIS time around, with DC on deck. Whether we fail or succeed, you would have first shot 3 days after he is brought down next. I hope you will agree that is fair. First shot should NOT depend on who got the kill, but rather who had first shot the last time.

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 03:31 PM

I see your point Presto and agree completely. I didnt' see it from the viewpoint of "on deck" and first shot. I just saw it from the point of who got the kill. Mabye a "first shot" rotation can be agreed to among officers, not you and I<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> as neither of us are officers. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Zatrik · 01-23-2004, 03:38 PM

There will be no rotation similar to what happened with Lodizal.  We will respect who comes there first with a raid, as we did Tuesday.  As to what we do on Sunday, I'm not sure of our plans. It's all a little silly though, there's plenty of mobs on this server.  We aren't cockblocking you out of certain zones like Vex Thal, or the Elementals.  And DC is substantially larger than Temerity at this point. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Aarlo · 01-23-2004, 04:48 PM

I need to jump in. There have been two clear declarations by Temerity memebers that we operate on a First in Force policy. The fact is, the leadership has not made a final decision on the matter. With that in mind, Temerity members should not be making such definite statements about our policies, when there is no such policy. And for DC, here is my perspective on what happened with Va'Dyn this week: We have a fairly rigid and defined scheduling framework now. This allows everyone to know which days are raid days and which days are exp days. For over a week, Temerity has had Va'Dyn scheduled for Thursday on the calendar. Azure went scouting in Akheva on Wednesday. He reported that Volotham was there perhaps doing the same thing, and shortly thereafter DC began converging on Akheva. We were bummed that you guys were going after him because that would pre-empt our schedule. But later we found out that Va'Dyn never fell, so we said "Cool, we can do it on Thursday after all." -- Aarlo Farlo (<A href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=772306&resize=true" target=magelo>Magelo</A>)

SunRa · 01-23-2004, 05:13 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Ok, please correct me if I am worng on the following statements. 1. DC and Tem were scheduled for Tuesday. Temerity decided to DC take VD, despite having sufficent force. 2. Now DC would like to attempt VD on Sunday, the first day he will be back up. 3. You want to know if we will step aside and let DC have a shot at VD again, and if so, how long will DC have. Not speaking as a guild officer ... Do you want the first shot a VD everytime ? You had first shot on Tuesday. While we did take VD last night, we were "coming from the on deck circle" if you will. In all fairness I think we should get first shot THIS time around, with DC on deck.<hr></div></center> Please not that the following is my personal opinion.  It is not the opinion of DC or any other officer, nor is it my opinion as an officer.  It is strictly my personal opinion.  First, I do want to thank you for “letting“ us try VD on Wednesday.  I want to know what you consider being the first group in ready to take down a specific raid target.  Does a group of people clearing out the pull area while the rest of the force shows up constitute being the first on the scene?   I just want some clarifications here, that is all I am looking for. As far as Sunday.  It is my understanding that VD is down, and was taken down by you.  First congradulations.  Nice job.  Having said that, is it your opinion that you should still get the next crack at him too?  Personally (once again MY opinion) I find that to be a load of bunk.  We wiped Wednesday, no doubt about it.  We wiped three times.  We have however learned from our experience.  I believe we will take him out this next time.  We were back at VD last night, we were there first.  We left because T left on the previous evening.  We felt it fair.  I prefer to think of EQ as a game and therefore would prefer to enjoy things, I am not in this for some sort of “glory“.  It is a game! Being a level 65 with epic and 400 AA levels really means nothing in the real world.  So once again, gratz on the kill.  I am going to assume KEI did not drop.  I have no idea what DC is going to decide to do as far as Sunday goes.  I will go along with whatever decision is made.  I would prefer to continue to be able to view my EQ experience as a game, and not some sort of piss on the rest of the players kind of experience.  That sort of thing is just not in my nature. If DC decides to tackle the VD on Sunday, I will do my best to be there even though it is not a day I normally play.  If we decide to not go, or if you guys get there first, I wish you the very best of luck and I hope you get the drop you want.  I mean that sincerely. -- <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=767412" target="new">SunRa Wosret</a> Feral Lord, Gnome Eater <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1065146" target="new">Sekhmet Geb</a> 64 Tree Hugger "Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse." <img alt="" src="http://www.frivolity.com/eq/eqq/q-eilsex.gif" align="bottom" border="0" hspace="0">