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Cadsuane · 01-23-2004, 05:33 PM

Please look at my first post for the clearest explaination of "First in Force" that I can give. If there are any specific questions about it, let me know. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Gnatzilla · 01-23-2004, 05:36 PM

I am clueless as to why we are fighting over a single spawn. 12 NPC's drop “The Spell” Kodiacs Endless Intellect 4 of which are  doable by either guild. My original question still stands why Va'Dyn? SunRa we had a Raid force of over 24 available and ready to do Va'dyn on wednesday when you had a single group “Clearing the Zone in“ for 4 hours before your raid force arrived and we said nothing and did nothing. You started this lame game that is being played out don't preach to us. _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Zatrik · 01-23-2004, 05:38 PM

Nobody's preaching Gnat. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Gnatzilla · 01-23-2004, 05:41 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Nobody's preaching Gnat.<hr></div></center> Yeah I am an ass I shouldn't post. O well I am bored and I like drama makes my day go shorter<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Isios · 01-23-2004, 05:42 PM

We raid on specific days, last night happened to be raid night, we are very scheduled, I have no clue how our officers will handle this, but if sunday happens to be a raid day .... The Spankmistress has spoken.
 
 
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SunRa · 01-23-2004, 05:45 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: 
I am clueless as to why we are fighting over a single spawn. 12 NPC's drop “The Spell” Kodiacs Endless Intellect 4 of which are  doable by either guild. My original question still stands why Va'Dyn? SunRa we had a Raid force of over 24 available and ready to do Va'dyn on wednesday when you had a single group “Clearing the Zone in“ for 4 hours before your raid force arrived and we said nothing and did nothing. You started this lame game that is being played out don't preach to us. 
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Please do not say I started this lame game.  I sincerely meant that I was happy you let us try the VD on Wednesday.  I thought it was a nice gesture.  I had no idea that the zone in was being cleared for 4 hours.  I showed up at the agreed upon time, and less than 10 minutes after our agreed upon start time, we were in the second room getting ready for the pull.  You guys had already left before I got there, but I trully do appreciate your gesture.  If you think I do not, you do not know me.I too am clueless why we are fighting over a single spawn.  BTW, I love your sig.  I am of course going to have to add it to my list of sigs I steal. <img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_cool.gif"> -- <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=767412" target="new">SunRa Wosret</a> Feral Lord, Gnome Eater <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1065146" target="new">Sekhmet Geb</a> 64 Tree Hugger "Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse." <img alt="" src="http://www.frivolity.com/eq/eqq/q-eilsex.gif" align="bottom" border="0" hspace="0">

Cadsuane · 01-23-2004, 05:50 PM

We are fighting over it because it drops good gear and spells that make the game easier/more fun to play, allowing us to kill harder stuff that drops better gear. I would appreciate it if everyone Stopped Posting anything stupid here now. If this starts flaming, I will lock it. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Gnatzilla · 01-23-2004, 05:52 PM

BAH go do your homework. _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 07:54 PM

For the record. I did not post here to start flaming etc. I just wanted to come to the source and have a talk. I thank all the people that posted in that spirit. Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Nolan · 01-23-2004, 08:50 PM

Last night, circa 8:30pm EST, I noticed that Va'Dynn was still up and saw no mobilization on Temerity's part. I made the call for people to start heading to Akheva, and the first notice I had about this scheduled Temerity raid encounter was Eadan running past me in Maiden's Eye. After an unpleasant gathering in Akheva, Dark Conquest officers made the decision to leave the zone. For a variety of reasons, it was the correct thing to do, and I believe everyone in both guilds is pleased at this decision and the ultimate results. Nevertheless, it reveals an unfortunate lack of communication and planning between Temerity and Dark Conquest. I am in contact with officials from Temerity, and I am anxiously awaiting word from them for any future discussions. If events such as last night continue to occur, nothing will come of it except petty rivalry and disagreement. Those of you who have spoken to me know that I have nothing but the utmost respect for Temerity and I'm confident it won't come to that. The duration of the raid was longer than expected because, frankly, it was a totally new encounter for all of us. Isios' criticisms about our guild's failures, shortcomings, and how we're "not an efficient" as Temerity are noted, but I'm sure that Temerity's leadership knows the difficulties that accompany attempting a totally new target and how these sort of types of raids may drag on far longer than anyone would hope. Despite this, you guys have been successful with Va'Dynn, and I commend you all on that. The issue of the Sunday respawn is one that's still being discussed. As of yesterday, it's a tentatively-planned encounter in DC, but I'd much rather talk about it with Temerity before really making any official announcements to Dark Conquest. All members of Temerity are welcome to send me a private message here, register on the Dark Conquest forums, or send me a tell in-game. I am more than glad to discuss this matter or assuage any doubts you may have. Thank you for your time. Nolan of Dark Conquest. <hr align="left" noshade size="1" width="30%">
Nolan

Xxapp · 01-23-2004, 11:52 PM

Okay let me see if I have this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong... 1) All this BS is about killing Va'Dynn, which up until now only Temerity has been capable of doing. 2) Temerity actually has scheduled A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN ADVANCE raids to kill him. 3) DC decides that they can kill Va'Dynn so they go and try - and get spanked, just like Temerity did on their first attempts. Temerity, who had the FORCE NEEDED ON LINE AND READY TO KILL HIM backs off to let DC kill him. However the first attempt on VD took place approximately 2 HOURS LATER. 4) The next day Temerity, who has had Va'Dynn scheduled as a raid encounter for A COUPLE OF WEEKS goes and kills him at the time that was scheduled. Note, as I was not part of this I do not know who from each guild was there, and in what numbers. I do know that Va'Dynn was dead within an hour because when I logged in he was dead and the raid was at our second target. So from this I see you are right Temerity should just back off from Va'Dynn because: A) Temerity has already killed Va'Dynn a bunch of times B) DC failed to kill Va'Dynn so Va'Dynn now belongs to them until they do kill him and after that DC gets him because of (A) C) DC had some people there first, even if it took 2 hours to actually start, they were there It is common knowledge that we have been killing him on a regular basis. So who from DC approached an officer from Temerity and asked if we had him scheduled for future kills? Who took the courtesy to make sure DC wasn't screwing up Temerity's schedule. Not asking permission but just saying "Hey we are going after VD, we really don't want to mess Temerity's schedule so how can we work this out so there aren't any problems?" NO! The way I see it is DC decides to kill him before Temerity's scheduled kill, Temerity usually sets up raids at about 8:30pm EST so DC schedules it for 5:30 EST, that gives DC 3 hours to set up and kill him before Temerity has a clue. Why do I think this? If 5:30 EST was DC's regular raid time, then the raid the day after the multiple wipes would have been set for the same time. DC's raid would have been well underway BEFORE 8:30 EST when the confrontation took place, Temerity's PRE-SCHEDULED raid time, AND THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY CONFRONTATION! And then what happens after DC doesn't get there way? They cry foul, complain that Temerity is unfair? Say that Temerity members should just buy PC's and play with all of the other jerks in EQ for PC. The last was a tell that I got from what I thought was a friend of mine in DC, and I wasn't even there!!! All I can say is take a good look in the mirror before you start pointing fingers.

Nolan · 01-24-2004, 12:50 AM

Thank you for the feedback, Xxapp. I already stated there is no communication between Temerity and Dark Conquest in regard to raid targets and raid scheduling. There was no way for me to know that this was "scheduled" by Temerity, as the Temerity calendar is currently empty. On the flipside, we have never been contacted by Temerity about our plans for the week, weekend, evening, whatever. Hopefully, this is one of the things we can change with closer cooperation. I am sure Temerity has Va'Dyn scheduled for an eon or two, but, alas, there's no way for me to know this. I fail to understand your rationale concerning why we don't have a right to kill him. I'm sure it took you just as long to prep the first time you attempted him, and wiped just as many times we have. You don't own him. No one in my guild cried foul. We left the zone of our own free will because it was the right thing to do. Try and be open-minded and understand we wish nothing but cordial relations with Temerity. Thank you. Nolan of Dark Conquest. <hr align="left" noshade size="1" width="30%">
Nolan

Aarlo · 01-24-2004, 01:15 AM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: the Temerity calendar is currently empty.<hr></div></center> Just to clarify, all the listings are private, except for that upcoming RP event, so it just looks empty. I suppose we could just disbable the public viewing of the calendar since we never list public events.. this is a totally tangential issue, but just wanted to clarify your perception. -- Aarlo Farlo (<A href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=772306&resize=true" target=magelo>Magelo</A>)

Zatrik · 01-24-2004, 01:19 AM

Xxapp, I'm not quite sure that you even understand Temerity's position on this, so try not to direct inflammatory comments at DC and Temerity. Cadsuane has pointed out what our policy is now, and it's very clear. We're doing first in force, NOT who schedules him first. We cannot have it both ways. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Xxapp · 01-24-2004, 03:03 AM

A few points: I am just a member of Temerity and my opinion is exactly that "my opinion". As far as communication goes all of the leaders should be talking to each other. Having said that we need to look at this case. I'm going to start by asking how DC would feel if a Temerity Officer asked DC weekly for the past two months "We're planning our raids, is DC ready to kill Va'Dynn yet?" If I were in DC I'd take this as rubbing it in, and be highly pissed off. So that is obviously not an option. That, to me at least, puts the ball in DC's court to start the communication if they want to be a friendly server type. You can't tell me that DC didn't know Temerity was killing Va'Dynn because DC knew when he would pop, which means DC knew when he died which means DC knew Temerity was killing him. Or if DC didn't know when he would pop, you should have figured out that Temerity was killing him the first time DC went to Akheva and he wasn't up. And if this was the case then DC didn't have a raid PLANNED, as told to a Temerity member, to kill him on Wednesday. That means that DC has signed on to "first (person from) guild there has the rights to the mob" by your actions! I personally think that this is MUCH WORSE that first force. So with that said, I'd like to know did DC try to steal the kill out from under Temerity, KNOWING THAT IT WAS A SCHEDULED RAID or does DC believe that first (person from) guild owns the mob? Actually there is one other possibility, if DC would never think of farming a spawn every time it popped and in that thinking DC would not think that Temerity would farm a mob like that. Wait... Lodizal, scratch the last option. Your statement, that there was no way for you to know that we would be farming Va'Dynn, is strange because you would do the same thing and both guilds have farmed Lodizal for good loot in the past. Nowhere in my post did I even make a hint that DC did not have a right to farm Va'Dynn! I did infer that I believe DC was in the wrong in the way they approached it, knowing that Temerity was killing him on a cycle, the same as DC would. If no one in DC cried foul, then explain this thread, explain the tells that members in Temerity received last night from DC members. Oh yeah, our Raid Calendar is on our private board, and I now know why.